Building Relationship On Self Interest

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"Trust in the Lord with all thine heart, and lean not unto thine own understanding. In all thy ways acknowledge him, and he shall direct thy paths." Proverb. 3: 5-6

"Building Relationship On Self Interest."
(The Benchmark of Marxism.)
(Personal note.)

by
Dean Gotcher

"For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world." 1 John 2:16

You "build relationship" through dialogue. You "fellowship" through discussion. Dialogue, that is relationship is based upon "feelings," along a spectrum or continuum from like to dislike or love to hate, making commands, rules, facts, and truth subjective, that is ever subject to 'change,' according to the current situation and or object, people, or person present (imagined or real) that stimulates pleasure or pain, with the child having the final say. In dialogue you know right from wrong based upon stimulus-response, that is with that which stimulates pleasure being right and that which stimulates pain, which includes the pain which comes from missing out on pleasure as being wrong. Discussion, that is fellowship on the other hand is based upon established commands, rules, facts, and truth, that is "rule of law," where the father, the author and enforcer of law has the final say. In discussion you KNOW right from wrong from having been told, requiring faith in the one telling you what is right behavior and what is wrong.

"So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God." Romans 10:17

"It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God." Matthew 4:4

"But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him." Hebrews 11:6

"For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast." Ephesians 2:8, 9

"Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ:" Romans 5:1

". . . and truly our fellowship is with the Father, and with his Son Jesus Christ." 1 John 1:3

Bohm and Peat, in their book Science, Order, and Creativity explained what discussion is: "In an ordinary discussion people usually hold relatively fixed positions and argue in favor of their views as they try to convince others to change." It is the father's authority system where the father authors, that is preaches commands and rules to be obeyed as given and teaches facts and truth to be accepted as is (by faith, at least at first) and applied and enforces them that discussion becomes the means of communication when there are any questions, with the father having the final say, "Because I said so" or "It is written."

Bohm and Peat, in their book Science, Order, and Creativity then explained what dialogue is: "A dialogue is essentially a conversation between equals." "The spirit of dialogue, is in short, the ability to hold many points of view in suspension, along with a primary interest in the creation of common meaning." It is the child's carnal nature, that which all children have in common, making all children "equal" where "common meaning" built upon "primary interest" is "created," requiring the "suspension" of the father's commands, rules, facts, and truth that "get in the way," that is that cause division. As long as the father's authority remains in place, when it comes to communication, discussion, that is what the father says restrains dialogue, that is the child's carnal desires.

The Communist dictator Mao Zedong stated: "Words and actions should help to unite, and not divide, the people."

It is through dialogue, regarding the wants that we have in common with others that we unite, dividing from those who inhibit or block, that is prevent us from having what we want. It is through discussion, which requires us to be or do right and not wrong according to established commands, rules, facts, and truth that we unite with those who hold to the same commands, rules, facts, and truth, dividing from those who are wrong, that is those who oppose or disagree with those commands, rules, facts, and truth. While those who discuss what is right and what is wrong behavior base right and wrong behavior upon obeying or disobeying established commands, rules, facts, and truth those who dialogue what is right and what is wrong behavior base behavior upon stimulus-response, that is upon that which stimulates pleasure being right and that which stimulates pain, which includes the pain of missing out on pleasure as being wrong.

György Lukács, in History & Class Consciousness: What is Orthodox Marxism? wrote: "The dialectical method was overthrown—the parts were prevented from finding their definition within the whole." "Only when the immediate interests are integrated into a total view and related to the final goal of the process do they become revolutionary." As long as children are subject to the father's authority, they can not find their identity in what they have in common with one another, that is their lust for pleasure and their hatred toward restraint. In order for unity to become reality, the father's authority which divides upon right and wrong behavior according to established commands, rules, facts, and truth must be negated.

"I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet." Romans 7:7

György Lukács wrote: "... the central problem is to change reality.… reality with its 'obedience to laws.'"

Wilfred Bion, in his book A Memoir of the Future explained the agenda as that of "preventing someone who KNOWS from filling the empty space."

Karl Marx, in his article Critique of Hegel's 'Philosophy of Right' wrote: "To enjoy the present reconciles us to the actual."

Carl Rogers, in his book on becoming a person: A Therapist View of Psychotherapy wrote: "Prior to therapy the person is prone to ask himself, 'What would my parents want me to do?' During the process of therapy the individual come to ask himself, 'What does it mean to me?'" "Experience is, for me, the highest authority." "Neither the Bible nor the prophets, neither the revelations of God can take precedence over my own direct experience." "In this process the individual becomes more open to his experience. It is the opposite of defensiveness or rigidity. His beliefs are not rigid, he can tolerate ambiguity."

When God created man, He did something which he did with nothing else in the creation, He made him a "living soul." "And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul." (Genesis 2:7). He then did something else which He did with nothing else in the creation, He told him what was right and what was wrong behavior and the consequence for disobedience. "And the LORD God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat: But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die." (Genesis 2:16, 17). Only man can be told or tell others what is right and what is wrong behavior. Only man can read or write a book. All the rest of the creation is based upon stimulus-response, including that part of man "formed" from "the dust of the ground"—for living organisms, that is approach pleasure and avoid pain.

"And Adam gave names to all cattle, and to the fowl of the air, and to every beast of the field; but for Adam there was not found an help meet for him." Genesis 2:20 Since Adam had both discussion (being told, being a "living soul") and dialogue (stimulus-response, being a fleshy vessel) he could only use discussion with God since dialogue would make him equal with God, which God would not allow. No animal could carry on a discussion or dialogue so no animal could resolve the tension Adam had, that is the need to dialogue. "And the LORD God said, It is not good that the man should be alone; I will make him an help meet for him." Genesis 2:18 In God creating the woman for Adam the tension was resolved, discussion with God and dialogue with the woman. Without the discussion (before God) you are subject only to dialogue (to your opinion; where there is no "wrong" except those accusing you of being wrong) making your reasoning (and any "discussion" you have) subject to stimulus-response, that is subject only to that which is "of the world."

It was when the woman in the garden in Eden, with the "help" of the master psychotherapist went into dialogue regarding behavior that she was 'liberated' from the Father's authority, making behavior subject to her carnal nature instead of subject to what the Father said, making herself equal with God, with Adam following. "And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live forever: Therefore the LORD God sent him forth from the garden of Eden, to till the ground from whence he was taken." Genesis 3:22, 23

An example of the difference between discussion and dialogue would be eating lunch at a buffet where you can choose the foods you like, which would correlate with dialogue (you are as a god, choosing right and wrong behavior, that is what you like, and you do not like). But if you have been told there are certain foods that are bad for you (that you like), now you have to discuss with your self (and with others, if you choose) which foods you can eat and which ones you can (or should) not. If you go to dialogue, you will go ahead and eat what you like (what you want). If you go to discussion, you will not. Which one wins out (discussion or dialogue) determines what you will eat for lunch that day—dialogue for pleasure (that the world or environment is stimulating) or discussion in order to do right and not wrong (according to what you have been told). We tend to mingle (juxtaposition) between the two (finding homeostasis), using dialogue, that is compromise in order to eat what we want. "Just a little taste." When it comes to behavior, the more you go in the direction of discussion the more you reason from established commands, rules, facts, and truth. Conversely the more you go in the direction of dialogue the more you 'reason' from your carnal desires of the 'moment' that the world is stimulating. Reasoning based upon discussion results in your doing the father's/Father's will, that is doing what you have been told while 'reasoning' based upon dialogue results in your doing what you want. Those "of (and for) the world" go to dialogue, making any discussion subject to it. The "skill" (trickery) of the facilitator of 'change' is to bring the two (discussion and dialogue) together in conflict with one another, in a "feelings" (dialogue) based environment (where affirmation from others or fear of rejection by them is at the forefront) creating what is called "cognitive dissonance," pressuring the participants to choose between either doing the father's/Father's will (and missing out on pleasure, that is the lusts of the 'moment,' experiencing rejection by "the group") or go with "the group" (enjoying the pleasures, that is the lusts of the 'moment,' experiencing "the groups" approval). Ernest R. Hilgard, in Introduction to Psychology explained cognitive dissonance as "The lack of harmony between what one does and what one believes." "The pressure to change either one’s behavior or one's belief." Irvin D. Yalom, in his book Theory and Practice and Group Psychotherapy wrote: "… few individuals, as Asch has shown, can maintain their objectivity [their loyalty to the father's/Father's authority] in the face of apparent group unanimity; and the individual rejects critical feelings toward the group at this time to avoid a state of cognitive dissonance. To question the value or activities of the group, would be to thrust himself into a state of dissonance. Long cherished but self-defeating beliefs and attitudes may waver and decompose in the face of a dissenting majority."

"Building relationship upon self interest" (or "Relationships built on self interest"; see picture), which is the benchmark of Marxism is like having a marriage vow that has the clause "till someone 'better' comes along." It is what the woman and Adam did in the garden, that is establish their "self interest" over and therefore against the Word of God.

"By dialectic, I mean an activity of conscious struggling to circumvent, the limitations imposed by the formal-logical law of contradiction." (Norman O. Brown, Life Against Death: The Psychoanalytical Meaning of History)

All Brown was saying is "how can I get around what my parents just told me to do."

Richard Paul, in his Critical Thinking Handbook wrote: "Only by bringing out the child's own ideas in dialogical and dialectical settings can the child begin to reconstruct and progressively transcend concepts."

The Marxist Jürgen Habermas, one of the youngest and probably smartest of the "Frankfurt School" members in his book Knowledge & Human Interest, Chapter Three: The Idea of the Theory of Knowledge as Social Theory wrote (regarding the effect dialogue has upon an individual in a group setting): "In the dialogic relation of recognizing oneself in the other, they experience the common ground of their existence."

Right and wrong behavior is established by the Father, who not only tells the child what behavior is right and what behavior is wrong but enforces what he says with "because I said so" or "It is written," initiating and sustain the guilty conscience, that is the fear of judgment, condemnation, being cast out for doing wrong or disobeying. The guilty conscience is the "feeling" of "negativity" experienced by the child when he is doing wrong, according to what he has been told. "Human nature" and "human reasoning" become united as one when the child focuses upon that which is "positive" to what he wants. To those who 'justify' the child's carnal nature, that is who 'justify' their carnal nature, that is who 'justify' their and the child's propensity to lust after the carnal pleasures of the 'moment' that the world stimulates, the Father's authority system becomes the root cause of "repression," that is the root cause of the guilty conscience for doing wrong or disobeying, according to what they have been told. Therefore, to those who 'reason' dialectically, i.e., who 'justifying' their carnal nature, in order to negate "repression," that is in order to negate the guilty conscience for doing wrong or disobeying it is expedient that the Father's authority that engenders it be negated first.

"Formal logic and the law of contradiction are the rules whereby the mind submits to operate under general conditions of repression." "Human consciousness can be liberated from the parental (Oedipal) complex only be being liberated from its cultural derivatives, the paternalistic state and the patriarchal God." "The abolition of repression would only threaten patriarchal domination." "Freud, Hegel, and Nietzsche are, like Marx, compelled to postulate external domination and its assertion by force in order to explain repression." (Brown)

Ervin Laszlo, the designer of "climate change" in his book A Strategy for the Future: The Systems Approach to World Order wrote: "Bypassing the traditional channels of top-down decision making, our objective centers upon .... transforming public opinion into an effective instrument of global politics." "Individual values must be measured by their contribution to common interests and ultimately to world interests [thereby] transforming public consensus into one favorable to the emergence of a stable and humanistic world order." "Consensus is both a personal and a political step. It is a precondition of all future steps."

By replacing discussion, where the father has the final say (when it comes to behavior), with dialogue, where the child has the final say the world is 'changed.' Karl Marx in his 11th Thesis on Feuerbach (which is inscribed on his tomb) wrote: "The philosophers have only interpreted the world in different ways, the objective however, is change." 'Change' is found in the child's carnal nature, that is in stimulus-response not in the father's authority, that is in established commands, rules, facts, and truth with fathers, disagreeing with one another causing division. For 'change,' that is "the building of relationship upon self interest" to become a reality, the father's authority must be negated.

"Thus, for instance, once the earthly family is discovered to be the secret of the holy family, the former must itself be annihilated [vernichtet] theoretically and practically." (Karl Marx, Thesis on Feuerbach #4)

It is the guilty conscience, which is engendered from the father's authority that sustains the father's authority system not only in the child but also in society. Without the use of psychology, Marxism can not overcome the effect of the father's authority has upon the individual, which then effects society.

Abraham Maslow, in his journals, The Journals of Abraham Maslow wrote: "Marxian theory needs Freudian-type instinct theory to round it out. And of course, vice versa." "Third-Force psychology is also epi-Marxian in these senses, that is including the most basic scheme as true-good social conditions are necessary for personal growth, bad social conditions stunt human nature, ... This is to say, one could reinterpret Marx into a self-actualization-fostering Third- and Fourth-Force psychology-philosophy. And my impression is anyway that this is the direction in which they are going now."

Dr. Robert Trojanowicz, in his book The meaning of "Community" in Community Policing defining the development the guilty conscience and its effect upon society wrote: "The personal conscience is the key element in ensuring self-control, refraining from deviant behavior even when it can be easily perpetrated." "The family, the next most important unit affecting social control, is obviously instrumental in the initial formation of the conscience and in the continued reinforcement of the values that encourage law abiding behavior." Trojanowicz then promotes bringing the police and the community together with the dialoguing of opinions to a consensus process, negating local control, that is the father's/Father's authority system and the guilty conscience replacing it with the "police state." Done with the use of 'crime' to bring "the people" together.

Kurt Lewin, in his book A Dynamic Theory of Personality (explaining in two sentences how the guilty conscience is 'created' and how to destroy it) wrote: "The negative valence of a forbidden object which in itself attracts the child [the guilty conscience] thus usually derives from an induced field of force of an adult." "If this field of force loses its psychological existence for the child (e.g., if the adult goes away or loses his authority) the negative valence also disappears."

"For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables." 2 Timothy 4:3, 4

"But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God." Matthew 4:4

"Thus saith the LORD; Cursed be the man that trusteth in man, and maketh flesh his arm, and whose heart departeth from the LORD." " Blessed is the man that trusteth in the LORD, and whose hope the LORD is." Jeremiah 17:5, 7 "

"It is better to trust in the LORD than to put confidence in man." Psalms 118:8

"There is a way that seemeth right unto a man, but the end thereof are the ways of death." Proverbs 16:25

"Trust in the Lord with all thine heart, and lean not unto thine own understanding. In all thy ways acknowledge him, and he shall direct thy paths." Proverb. 3: 5-6

"It is not in man that walketh to direct his steps." Jeremiah 10:23

"Every one that is proud in heart is an abomination to the LORD: though hand join in hand, he shall not be unpunished." Proverbs 16:5

"Ye are they which justify yourselves before men; but God knoweth your hearts: for that which is highly esteemed among men is abomination in the sight of God." Luke 16:15

"The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked: who can know it?" Jeremiah 17:9

"The transgression of the wicked saith within my heart, that there is no fear of God before his eyes. For he flattereth himself in his own eyes, until his iniquity be found to be hateful. The words of his mouth are iniquity and deceit: he hath left off to be wise, and to do good. He deviseth mischief upon his bed; he setteth himself in a way that is not good; he abhorreth not evil." Psalms 36:1-4

"And for this cause [because men 'justify' themselves, i.e., their love of "self" and the world, i.e., their love of the pleasures of the 'moment' over and therefore against the Father's authority] God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie [that pleasure is the standard for "good" instead of doing the Father's will]: That they all might be damned who believed not the truth [in the Father and in His Son, Jesus Christ], but had pleasure in unrighteousness [in their "self" and the pleasures of the 'moment,' which the world stimulates]." 2 Thessalonians 2:11, 12

"Self Interest" will show you no mercy when you get in its way. Once you find gold with your friend, based upon your and his common "self interest," you had better watch your back, his "self interest" could cost you your life. When you humble, deny, die to your "self" in order to do the father's/Father's will, you, as he loves you but hates what you do when you do wrong, love the person who is doing or does you and others wrong, only hating what they are doing or have done to you and others, unlike following after your "self interest," where you hate whoever gets in your way—thinking that what you want to do or are doing is "good," making you "good," you are unable to see (you are blind to the fact that) what you are doing is hateful, hating them—thinking, if you could get rid of them life would be "good" again, making "good" subject to your "self," i.e., your carnal desires ("interests") of the 'moment,' and not doing the father's/Father's will.

" Every good gift and every perfect gift is from above, and cometh down from the Father of lights, with whom is no variableness, neither shadow of turning." James 1:17

"For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,) dwelleth no good thing: for to will is present with me; but how to perform that which is good I find not." "O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this death? I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord." Romans 7:18, 24, 25

"To experience Freud is to partake a second time of the forbidden fruit;" (Brown)

The Marxist Herbert Marcuse, in his book Eros and Civilization: a psychological inquiry into Freud (from where we get "If it feels good, just do it") wrote: "... the 'original sin' must be committed again: 'We must again eat from the tree of knowledge in order to fall back into the state of innocence.'"

Facilitators of 'change,' i.e., psychologists, i.e., behavioral "scientists," i.e., "group psychotherapists," i.e., Marxists (Transformational Marxists)—all being the same in method or formula—are using the dialoguing of opinions to a consensus (affirmation) process, i.e., dialectic 'reasoning' ('reasoning' from/through the students "feelings" of the 'moment,' i.e., from/through their "lust" for pleasure and their hate of restraint, in the "light" of their desire for group approval, i.e., affirmation and fear of group rejection) in the "group grade," "safe zone/space/place," "Don't be negative, be positive," soviet style, brainwashing (washing the father's/Father's authority from the children's thoughts and actions, i.e., "theory and practice," negating their having a guilty conscience, which the father's/father's authority engenders, for doing wrong, disobeying, sinning in the process—called "the negation of negation" since the father's/Father's authority and the guilty conscience, being negative to the child's carnal nature, is negated in dialogue—in dialogue, opinion, and the consensus process there is no father's/Father's authority), inductive 'reasoning' ('reasoning' from/through the students "feelings," i.e., their natural inclination to "lust" after the carnal pleasures of the 'moment'—dopamine emancipation—which the world stimulates, i.e., their "self interest," i.e., their "sense experience," selecting "appropriate information"—excluding, ignoring, or resisting, i.e., rejecting any "inappropriate" information, i.e., established command, rule, fact, or truth that gets in the way of their desired outcome, i.e., pleasure—in determining right from wrong behavior), "Bloom's Taxonomy," "affective domain," French Revolution (Liberté, Égalité, Fraternité) classroom "environment" in order (as in "new" world order) to 'liberate' children from parental authority, i.e., from the father's/Father's authority system (the Patriarchal Paradigm)—seducing, deceiving, and manipulating them as chickens, rats, and dogs, i.e., treating them as natural resource ("human resource") in order to convert them into 'liberals,' socialists, globalists, so they, 'justifying' their "self" before one another, can do wrong, disobey, sin, i.e., "lust" with impunity.

"Thus saith the LORD, Stand ye in the ways, and see, and ask for the old paths, where is the good way, and walk therein, and ye shall find rest for your souls. But they said, We will not walk therein. Also I set watchmen over you, saying, Hearken to the sound of the trumpet. But they said, We will not hearken." Jeremiah 6:16, 17

Home schooling material, co-ops, conferences, etc., are joining in the same praxis, fulfilling Immanuel Kant's as well as Georg Hegel's, Karl Marx's, and Sigmund Freud's agenda of using the pattern or method of Genesis 3:1-6, i.e., "self" 'justification,' i.e., dialectic (dialogue) 'reasoning," i.e., 'reasoning' from/through your "feelings," i.e., your carnal desires of the 'moment' which are being stimulated by the world (including your desire for approval from others, with them affirming your carnal nature) in order to negate Hebrews 12:5-11, i.e., the father's/Father's authority, i.e., having to humble, deny, die to, control, discipline your "self" in order to do the father's/Father's will, negating Romans 7:14-25, i.e., your having a guilty conscience when you do wrong, disobey, sin, thereby negating your having to repent before the father/Father for your doing wrong, disobedience, sins—which is the real agenda.